1 00:00:01,333 --> 00:00:04,375 (phone ringing) 2 00:00:04,417 --> 00:00:06,458 -TRAVIS: Hello? -THOMAS: Travis. 3 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:08,542 -TRAVIS: Hey, Thomas. -Hey, I'm not sure 4 00:00:08,583 --> 00:00:10,458 where you're at on the property, 5 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:12,959 but, uh, there's something going on out here. 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,125 Come over here and check it out. 7 00:00:19,458 --> 00:00:21,458 (panting) 8 00:00:35,125 --> 00:00:36,917 Hey, y'all. {\an1}I'd recommend not to touch it 9 00:00:36,959 --> 00:00:38,875 till we see {\an1}if it's radioactive or not. 10 00:00:38,917 --> 00:00:40,667 Too late. 11 00:00:40,709 --> 00:00:43,083 {\an5}THOMAS: Tom and I rolled it over just to see 12 00:00:43,125 --> 00:00:45,000 if we could see any animal markings on it. 13 00:00:45,041 --> 00:00:47,875 -No sign of trauma... {\an1}-TRAVIS: What in the world? 14 00:00:47,917 --> 00:00:50,959 There's no cat tracks, {\an1}there's no sign of struggle. 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,625 {\an1}-KANDUS: Middle of the day. -It's just dead. 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,583 TRAVIS: It's hard to kill a cow. 17 00:00:56,625 --> 00:00:59,250 Check it with {\an1}the Geiger counter, Dragon. 18 00:01:01,792 --> 00:01:05,417 {\an5}TOM: I saw her this morning, but she was alive. 19 00:01:05,458 --> 00:01:07,667 That late morning? 20 00:01:07,709 --> 00:01:09,625 (Geiger counter whirring) 21 00:01:13,750 --> 00:01:15,875 {\an5}TRAVIS: Lookit, the meter's just going crazy, man. 22 00:01:15,917 --> 00:01:17,792 Jumping high, {\an1}then it jumps back to zero. 23 00:01:17,834 --> 00:01:21,417 13, 14, we're at 15-- 16. 24 00:01:21,458 --> 00:01:22,750 -Is it still doing... -Lookit-- hey, 25 00:01:22,792 --> 00:01:24,542 {\an1}it's at, it's at five-- it's 18. 26 00:01:24,583 --> 00:01:26,709 {\an1}It just jumped to 18 just then. 27 00:01:26,750 --> 00:01:28,625 {\an1}Jim, are you seeing anything on the spectrum analyzer? 28 00:01:28,667 --> 00:01:29,834 - Actually, I am. 29 00:01:29,875 --> 00:01:32,458 {\an1}- You are? What are you seeing? 30 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:35,333 Something down in the lower areas. 31 00:01:35,375 --> 00:01:37,750 {\an8}So, I'm getting {\an8}some pretty high spikes. 32 00:01:37,792 --> 00:01:40,875 {\an8}-Some of the stuff {\an8}like you saw yesterday. {\an8}-See that? 33 00:01:40,917 --> 00:01:42,959 {\an5}-What does this mean? -Well, uh, we don't know what it is, 34 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,667 but we're seeing it with multiple instruments. 35 00:01:44,709 --> 00:01:46,875 {\an5}-So this is something... {\an1}-Something could be happening right now 36 00:01:46,917 --> 00:01:49,709 out of the ordinary. 37 00:01:49,750 --> 00:01:51,208 We need to get out of here, guys. 38 00:01:52,375 --> 00:01:54,500 {\an5}THOMAS: Is there really a safe place on this ranch? 39 00:01:54,542 --> 00:01:56,125 We're quickly losing places 40 00:01:56,166 --> 00:01:59,083 that are safe to go on this ranch. 41 00:02:08,333 --> 00:02:10,959 {\an8}RECEPTIONIST: {\an8}Gentlemen, I'd like to {\an8}introduce Travis Taylor. 42 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,500 {\an8}-I'll let Brandon {\an8}know you're ready. {\an8}-Thank you. 43 00:02:12,542 --> 00:02:13,834 {\an5}-You're welcome. -Hey, Travis. Jim Morse. -Hey. 44 00:02:13,875 --> 00:02:16,083 TRAVIS: I'm Dr. Travis Taylor. 45 00:02:16,125 --> 00:02:18,250 {\an8}I'm a scientist {\an8}and a physicist, 46 00:02:18,291 --> 00:02:21,458 {\an8}and I've got 25 years {\an8}or more, uh, experience 47 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:24,542 {\an7}in the aerospace and defense {\an7}industry working with NASA, 48 00:02:24,583 --> 00:02:26,959 {\an8}the Department of Defense {\an7}and the intelligence community. 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,208 {\an5}-Travis? -I have degrees in electrical engineering, 50 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:30,834 aerospace engineering, astronomy, 51 00:02:30,875 --> 00:02:32,417 physics, optical sciences. 52 00:02:32,458 --> 00:02:35,458 And I was invited to come out here 53 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,834 to work with this team to investigate this area 54 00:02:38,875 --> 00:02:41,250 known as Skinwalker Ranch. 55 00:02:41,291 --> 00:02:43,750 -Where'd you fly in from? -From Huntsville, Alabama. 56 00:02:43,792 --> 00:02:45,291 -All right. -Yeah, it's where 57 00:02:45,333 --> 00:02:47,417 the rockets that went to the Moon were built. 58 00:02:47,458 --> 00:02:51,208 -Hi, Travis. {\an1}-Hey, Brandon. How you doing? 59 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:53,041 {\an8}-Brandon Fugal. I'm... {\an8}-Yeah, nice to meet you. 60 00:02:53,083 --> 00:02:54,917 {\an8}...the new owner {\an8}of Skinwalker Ranch. 61 00:02:54,959 --> 00:02:57,083 I see you've been able to get acquainted 62 00:02:57,125 --> 00:02:59,125 -with our team. -Yeah. 63 00:02:59,166 --> 00:03:02,583 {\an8}BRANDON: Erik Bard is our {\an8}principal investigator. 64 00:03:02,625 --> 00:03:05,333 {\an8}Dr. Segala has been {\an8}the scientist. 65 00:03:05,375 --> 00:03:09,125 {\an8}Tom Winterton, {\an8}our ranch superintendent. 66 00:03:09,166 --> 00:03:12,125 {\an7}Jim Morse is our ranch manager 67 00:03:12,166 --> 00:03:14,291 {\an8}and Bryant Arnold, {\an7}otherwise known as "Dragon," 68 00:03:14,333 --> 00:03:16,125 {\an8}head of security. 69 00:03:16,166 --> 00:03:18,125 {\an1}Thank you for coming together. 70 00:03:18,166 --> 00:03:21,333 This is the most unique {\an1}science project of its kind 71 00:03:21,375 --> 00:03:23,667 because we've verified and documented 72 00:03:23,709 --> 00:03:26,542 that some of the most {\an1}disturbing, unexplained events 73 00:03:26,583 --> 00:03:30,500 in the past decades, if not hundreds of years, 74 00:03:30,542 --> 00:03:32,792 {\an1}have occurred on this property. 75 00:03:32,834 --> 00:03:34,792 That sounds exciting and a litt-- 76 00:03:34,834 --> 00:03:37,625 {\an5}-maybe even a little bit scary, right? -Right. 77 00:03:37,667 --> 00:03:40,333 {\an5}BRANDON: I'm Brandon Fugal, chairman and owner 78 00:03:40,375 --> 00:03:43,458 {\an1}of the largest commercial real {\an1}estate enterprise here in Utah. 79 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:46,041 I'm also an investor and cofounder 80 00:03:46,083 --> 00:03:49,083 of other enterprises involving technology. 81 00:03:49,125 --> 00:03:51,083 I grew up middle class, 82 00:03:51,125 --> 00:03:54,333 with a very strong religious upbringing. 83 00:03:54,375 --> 00:03:59,750 And that upbringing has only helped strengthen my belief 84 00:03:59,792 --> 00:04:02,917 that there is more to our {\an1}existence than meets the eye. 85 00:04:02,959 --> 00:04:07,375 And I am still looking {\an1}for the nature of the universe 86 00:04:07,417 --> 00:04:10,125 and asking some of these core questions: 87 00:04:10,166 --> 00:04:13,083 Where did we come from? Why are we here? 88 00:04:13,125 --> 00:04:15,083 Where are we going? 89 00:04:15,125 --> 00:04:18,500 I truly believe that Skinwalker Ranch is a place 90 00:04:18,542 --> 00:04:21,083 where some of the these questions may be answered, 91 00:04:21,125 --> 00:04:24,375 {\an1}or at least better understood. 92 00:04:26,125 --> 00:04:30,291 So this shows, {\an1}from an aerial view, the ranch. 93 00:04:30,333 --> 00:04:35,959 {\an8}Our 512 acres lies in {\an7}the center of the Uinta Basin. 94 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,750 {\an8}TRAVIS: {\an8}The Uinta Basin. 95 00:04:37,792 --> 00:04:40,000 {\an7}I mean-- is that, like, one of {\an7}the Indian tribes or something? 96 00:04:40,041 --> 00:04:42,333 -The Uintah tribe? -Yes. And it is named 97 00:04:42,375 --> 00:04:45,291 -after the Ute tribe. -Okay. 98 00:04:45,333 --> 00:04:46,709 And the entire property is surrounded 99 00:04:46,750 --> 00:04:49,166 {\an1}by, uh, Ute tribal properties. 100 00:04:49,208 --> 00:04:51,625 Well, so, one question I have is why 101 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,083 {\an1}is it called Skinwalker Ranch? 102 00:04:54,125 --> 00:04:56,041 What is the-the lore of it, right? 103 00:04:56,083 --> 00:04:58,125 Well, it's a phenomenon, is what it is. 104 00:04:58,166 --> 00:05:00,375 {\an1}-It goes back hundreds of years. -BRANDON: Native Americans 105 00:05:00,417 --> 00:05:05,792 {\an1}talk of shape-shifting demonic {\an1}entities called skinwalkers 106 00:05:05,834 --> 00:05:10,417 {\an1}that take on the form of a, of {\an1}a large werewolf-like creature 107 00:05:10,458 --> 00:05:14,834 {\an5}-and also a number of other shapes. -Wow. 108 00:05:14,875 --> 00:05:18,041 {\an5}BRANDON: The Native American people, for generations, referred 109 00:05:18,083 --> 00:05:20,625 to this property as being {\an1}in the path of the skinwalker. 110 00:05:20,667 --> 00:05:22,625 And they called the mesa 111 00:05:22,667 --> 00:05:26,041 {\an1}that runs the expanse of this property Skinwalker Ridge. 112 00:05:26,083 --> 00:05:29,917 So that's really {\an1}the namesake of the property. 113 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:31,542 I see, I see. 114 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:35,875 As early as 1911, 115 00:05:35,917 --> 00:05:40,750 newspaper reports profiled strange noises in the basin 116 00:05:40,792 --> 00:05:46,417 and the homesteaders started {\an1}seeing unexplained phenomena. 117 00:05:46,458 --> 00:05:49,417 And by 1979, 118 00:05:49,458 --> 00:05:51,250 there were a lot of UFO sightings 119 00:05:51,291 --> 00:05:54,208 {\an1}in the basin being documented. 120 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:57,625 People had {\an1}really acute medical episodes. 121 00:05:57,667 --> 00:05:59,750 Everything from incidents of nausea, 122 00:05:59,792 --> 00:06:03,458 {\an1}perception-altering experiences, 123 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:05,291 {\an1}vertigo, temporary paralysis. 124 00:06:05,333 --> 00:06:09,583 {\an1}And then the Sherman family, in 1992, 125 00:06:09,625 --> 00:06:12,041 acquired the property and were witness 126 00:06:12,083 --> 00:06:15,375 to some of the most {\an1}disturbing events on record. 127 00:06:15,417 --> 00:06:17,750 Cattle mutilations. 128 00:06:17,792 --> 00:06:20,917 These were daylight cattle mutilations. 129 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:26,458 {\an1}We're talking very surgically precise dissections 130 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:27,917 of these cattle. 131 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:30,667 They were drained of their blood. 132 00:06:30,709 --> 00:06:34,417 And there was no blood to be found underneath them. 133 00:06:34,458 --> 00:06:39,792 As much as 25% of the herd at that time were lost. 134 00:06:39,834 --> 00:06:40,875 Wow. 135 00:06:42,166 --> 00:06:44,500 BRANDON: In 1996, 136 00:06:44,542 --> 00:06:46,458 the reports of the Sherman family 137 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:50,709 {\an1}led billionaire Robert Bigelow to acquire the property 138 00:06:50,750 --> 00:06:55,250 and to commence an {\an1}unprecedented scientific study. 139 00:06:55,291 --> 00:06:58,667 {\an1}Bigelow came in with his team, 140 00:06:58,709 --> 00:07:02,125 National Institute {\an1}of Discovery Science, or NIDS, 141 00:07:02,166 --> 00:07:03,709 that transitioned 142 00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:06,041 to Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies, 143 00:07:06,083 --> 00:07:08,834 which was funded by the U.S. government 144 00:07:08,875 --> 00:07:11,291 {\an1}and kept highly confidential. 145 00:07:11,333 --> 00:07:12,959 {\an1}It was a very aggressive effort. 146 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,709 And as part of that, 147 00:07:14,750 --> 00:07:18,625 it was staffed at one time {\an1}by dozens of professionals. 148 00:07:18,667 --> 00:07:21,125 {\an1}Many of those professionals to this day 149 00:07:21,166 --> 00:07:25,333 refuse to ever set foot on this ranch ever again 150 00:07:25,375 --> 00:07:27,333 {\an1}for the rest of their lives. 151 00:07:27,375 --> 00:07:28,583 -Really? -Literally. 152 00:07:28,625 --> 00:07:30,542 -That's right. -Wow. 153 00:07:32,542 --> 00:07:35,208 BRANDON: {\an1}That brings us to present day. 154 00:07:35,250 --> 00:07:38,625 In 2016, {\an1}I purchased Skinwalker Ranch 155 00:07:38,667 --> 00:07:41,458 and assembled our team {\an1}to carry this investigation 156 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:43,750 {\an1}forward into the next level. 157 00:07:43,792 --> 00:07:46,709 {\an5}-And what is that? -We've started deploying technology 158 00:07:46,750 --> 00:07:50,208 devised by Erik Bard, {\an1}our principal investigator, 159 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:52,250 related to monitoring 160 00:07:52,291 --> 00:07:54,083 and recording the events happening on the ranch. 161 00:07:54,125 --> 00:07:56,583 Right, that makes sense. 162 00:07:56,625 --> 00:07:58,750 {\an8}One of the first things {\an8}that we captured: 163 00:07:58,792 --> 00:08:02,375 {\an8}a 500-foot section 164 00:08:02,417 --> 00:08:06,709 {\an8}of the mesa {\an8}became totally illuminated. 165 00:08:06,750 --> 00:08:08,792 That's-that's wild. 166 00:08:08,834 --> 00:08:12,625 {\an7}We have seen several instances {\an8}of compact light pillars, 167 00:08:12,667 --> 00:08:16,417 {\an8}these columns of light that {\an7}have appeared above the mesa. 168 00:08:16,458 --> 00:08:18,625 {\an8}TRAVIS: I'm looking at {\an8}this picture, and I believe 169 00:08:18,667 --> 00:08:22,250 {\an8}I'm seeing scatter {\an7}off of the lower cloud cover, 170 00:08:22,291 --> 00:08:24,959 {\an8}which implies {\an8}that it's going upward. 171 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,375 {\an1}And there's no used car lot on the other side, 172 00:08:27,417 --> 00:08:28,875 where they're having a spotlight 173 00:08:28,917 --> 00:08:31,166 -shining up? -Nope. 174 00:08:31,208 --> 00:08:32,959 {\an8}-That's interesting. {\an8}-There is also 175 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,333 {\an8}a bright luminous object 176 00:08:34,375 --> 00:08:36,000 {\an8}that came into view {\an8}in the western sky 177 00:08:36,041 --> 00:08:38,291 {\an8}and disappeared {\an8}behind the mesa. 178 00:08:38,333 --> 00:08:40,000 {\an8}And it travelled at a speed 179 00:08:40,041 --> 00:08:42,583 {\an8}that was not consistent {\an8}with typical aircraft. 180 00:08:42,625 --> 00:08:44,500 {\an8}Plus, at that time, 181 00:08:44,542 --> 00:08:46,542 {\an8}there was no {\an8}historical flight data 182 00:08:46,583 --> 00:08:49,917 {\an8}showing commercial {\an8}or private air traffic. 183 00:08:49,959 --> 00:08:51,333 That's intriguing. 184 00:08:51,375 --> 00:08:53,083 Indeed. 185 00:08:53,125 --> 00:08:56,083 I-I really am curious {\an1}as to why exactly am I here? 186 00:08:56,125 --> 00:08:58,041 What is it I'm supposed to be figuring out? 187 00:08:58,083 --> 00:09:01,041 Right. I think, you, as an experimentalist, 188 00:09:01,083 --> 00:09:03,000 you would bring to the table a lot more 189 00:09:03,041 --> 00:09:05,709 stringent protocols than what's here now. 190 00:09:05,750 --> 00:09:08,875 -Okay. -We want your perspective. 191 00:09:08,917 --> 00:09:10,458 {\an5}THOMAS: We've noticed {\an1}that when we bring new people 192 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:12,125 onto the ranch, 193 00:09:12,166 --> 00:09:14,500 {\an1}the ranch behaves differently than it normally does. 194 00:09:14,542 --> 00:09:17,208 It's just a place, right? I mean, and... 195 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:19,917 And you guys think that it's going 196 00:09:19,959 --> 00:09:23,417 to behave {\an1}when I show up there, right? 197 00:09:23,458 --> 00:09:25,709 Where there's smoke, {\an1}there's fire, and there's things 198 00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:29,166 that go on that ranch that {\an1}I cannot get my head around. 199 00:09:29,208 --> 00:09:31,166 That ranch can push back. 200 00:09:31,208 --> 00:09:32,709 BRANDON: We'd like to fly you out 201 00:09:32,750 --> 00:09:34,542 to the property tomorrow. 202 00:09:34,583 --> 00:09:36,458 My brother will be escorting you, 203 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:38,834 so you can see the ranch firsthand. 204 00:09:38,875 --> 00:09:40,375 I'm not sure what we're gonna find, 205 00:09:40,417 --> 00:09:42,166 but I can't wait to see what we're gonna find. 206 00:09:42,208 --> 00:09:43,208 Great. 207 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:45,792 {\an8}(horn honking) 208 00:09:47,041 --> 00:09:49,083 {\an8}BRANDON: {\an8}So, Travis, 209 00:09:49,125 --> 00:09:51,750 {\an8}tell me honestly, {\an8}do-do you think I'm crazy? 210 00:09:51,792 --> 00:09:54,083 (laughs) Well, 211 00:09:54,125 --> 00:09:55,667 {\an1}I think some of the stories are crazy, 212 00:09:55,709 --> 00:09:58,500 {\an1}but just because the stories sound crazy 213 00:09:58,542 --> 00:10:01,083 {\an1}doesn't mean that there's not something to it. 214 00:10:01,125 --> 00:10:02,917 So, no, I don't think you're crazy, Brandon. 215 00:10:02,959 --> 00:10:05,458 I think it's intriguing, is what I can say. 216 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:06,792 There has to be something more to it. 217 00:10:06,834 --> 00:10:09,500 Yep. Are we truly alone in the universe? 218 00:10:21,875 --> 00:10:23,333 Welcome to Aero Dynamic. 219 00:10:23,375 --> 00:10:25,250 -So this is the hangar? -Yep. 220 00:10:25,291 --> 00:10:27,250 -CAMERON: Hey, Brandon. -These are my brothers. 221 00:10:27,291 --> 00:10:28,959 {\an8}-How are you? {\an7}-This is my brother Cameron. 222 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,500 {\an8}-Travis Taylor. Yeah. {\an8}-Good to meet you, Travis. 223 00:10:30,542 --> 00:10:32,083 {\an8}-My brother, Matt. {\an7}-Nice to meet you too, man. 224 00:10:32,125 --> 00:10:33,667 {\an8}Nice to meet you. 225 00:10:33,709 --> 00:10:35,083 {\an8}So we're going to be {\an8}in this helicopter today? 226 00:10:35,125 --> 00:10:36,542 {\an1}Yep, this is the Airbus H130. 227 00:10:36,583 --> 00:10:38,333 -TRAVIS: H130, Okay. -We'll be flying 228 00:10:38,375 --> 00:10:40,750 -at 10,000 feet. -Aw, that sounds awesome. 229 00:10:40,792 --> 00:10:44,333 {\an1}Safe flight, uh, and good luck at Skinwalker Ranch. 230 00:10:49,375 --> 00:10:51,208 Go with engine startup. 231 00:10:55,583 --> 00:10:57,375 All systems are check. 232 00:10:57,417 --> 00:10:58,875 We'll proceed on our way. 233 00:11:02,291 --> 00:11:04,083 You probably want to get down there 234 00:11:04,125 --> 00:11:06,417 {\an5}-and get boots on the ground, don't you? -Yep, I do. Absolutely. 235 00:11:06,458 --> 00:11:07,667 I want to get down and start walking. 236 00:11:07,709 --> 00:11:09,125 I want to cover every inch of the place. 237 00:11:11,709 --> 00:11:13,041 What do you think about the ranch? 238 00:11:13,083 --> 00:11:15,500 {\an1}-Those are some strange stories. -Oh, yeah. 239 00:11:15,542 --> 00:11:16,709 What do you think about all that? 240 00:11:16,750 --> 00:11:18,041 Well, it's interesting. 241 00:11:18,083 --> 00:11:19,917 {\an1}I originally went from believing 242 00:11:19,959 --> 00:11:21,625 that it was just kind of all foo-foo 243 00:11:21,667 --> 00:11:24,959 to thinking there might be {\an1}something, uh, to this, based on 244 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,667 what I've experienced personally. 245 00:11:26,709 --> 00:11:29,083 Stuff has happened. {\an1}There's times where I've felt 246 00:11:29,125 --> 00:11:30,750 {\an1}I don't really want to be there. 247 00:11:30,792 --> 00:11:32,875 Not knowing what's, what's {\an1}causing some of the anomalies 248 00:11:32,917 --> 00:11:34,458 that are out there. 249 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:37,125 My main concern is just {\an1}to make sure that we're safe 250 00:11:37,166 --> 00:11:38,834 going in and out of the property. 251 00:11:38,875 --> 00:11:41,500 -Oh, I agree with that. -Especially in aviation, 252 00:11:41,542 --> 00:11:43,875 you do the best you can 253 00:11:43,917 --> 00:11:46,417 {\an5}-to minimize any danger or risks. -Yeah. 254 00:11:46,458 --> 00:11:48,000 {\an1}You do your preflight checks, 255 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:49,583 {\an1}you make sure the maintenance is right; 256 00:11:49,625 --> 00:11:51,583 but even then, there's still some things 257 00:11:51,625 --> 00:11:53,375 that you don't have control over. 258 00:11:53,417 --> 00:11:55,625 {\an1}And so for every flight I go on, 259 00:11:55,667 --> 00:11:58,208 {\an1}I always say a little prayer, {\an1}just try to keep it simple. 260 00:11:58,250 --> 00:12:01,333 {\an5}-Okay. {\an1}-And so I'd love to do that if you are open to that. 261 00:12:01,375 --> 00:12:02,917 -Absolutely, sure. -All right. 262 00:12:02,959 --> 00:12:04,959 {\an1}Heavenly Father, we're grateful 263 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,125 for this opportunity to fly today, 264 00:12:07,166 --> 00:12:10,500 and to do some exploring and-and research, 265 00:12:10,542 --> 00:12:11,917 and explore the sciences. 266 00:12:11,959 --> 00:12:13,291 We ask for safety today. 267 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:15,709 Protect us as we come into this ranch. 268 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:19,333 And we say these things in {\an1}the name of Jesus Christ, amen. 269 00:12:19,375 --> 00:12:20,792 Amen. 270 00:12:26,083 --> 00:12:28,041 {\an8}CAMERON: {\an8}We're approaching the ranch. 271 00:12:29,792 --> 00:12:32,458 {\an7}We're going to go low level {\an8}down over the entrance 272 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:35,208 {\an7}to show you the guard shack. 273 00:12:35,250 --> 00:12:37,667 {\an8}All systems are check, {\an8}we're descending 274 00:12:37,709 --> 00:12:40,041 {\an7}down onto the property now. 275 00:12:41,625 --> 00:12:44,667 Below you'll see the gate, the concrete barriers, 276 00:12:44,709 --> 00:12:46,709 -and the signage. -Right. Yeah, I see that. 277 00:12:46,750 --> 00:12:49,667 And then the guard shack. 278 00:12:49,709 --> 00:12:51,917 {\an5}TRAVIS: As Cameron flew me into Skinwalker Ranch, 279 00:12:51,959 --> 00:12:53,083 my first impression is 280 00:12:53,125 --> 00:12:54,250 {\an1}it's in the middle of nowhere. 281 00:12:54,291 --> 00:12:58,166 It's not anything unusual to look at 282 00:12:58,208 --> 00:13:00,041 from any of the other land around it; 283 00:13:00,083 --> 00:13:02,500 it's the things that are supposedly happening here 284 00:13:02,542 --> 00:13:04,291 that makes it unusual. 285 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,667 Now, where is it where the mountain 286 00:13:07,709 --> 00:13:09,875 is glowing in the video 287 00:13:09,917 --> 00:13:11,750 -that they showed me? {\an1}-So I'll show you the ridge. 288 00:13:11,792 --> 00:13:13,458 Skinwalker Ridge. 289 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:16,083 It's over in this area {\an1}that I don't typically fly over 290 00:13:16,125 --> 00:13:19,208 based on reports they had of {\an1}light originating in the area. 291 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:20,709 So we'll kind of skirt around this. 292 00:13:20,750 --> 00:13:24,709 So, right there at your {\an1}one o'clock, the mesa plateau. 293 00:13:26,709 --> 00:13:29,125 {\an4}-And it's this, this ridge here that's glowing? -Yeah. 294 00:13:29,166 --> 00:13:30,792 -Yep. -Huh. 295 00:13:30,834 --> 00:13:32,500 {\an5}CAMERON: {\an1}It's where they detected it on the cameras. 296 00:13:32,542 --> 00:13:35,000 {\an5}-TRAVIS: Wow. -The scientists have cautioned me to-- 297 00:13:35,041 --> 00:13:36,542 to be careful here, 298 00:13:36,583 --> 00:13:38,792 uh, due to the potential for any energy 299 00:13:38,834 --> 00:13:41,041 or any other disruption of {\an1}the helicopter. I stay away. 300 00:13:41,083 --> 00:13:43,583 I just, I felt uneasy flying over that 301 00:13:43,625 --> 00:13:44,750 {\an1}with what I saw in the video. 302 00:13:44,792 --> 00:13:46,125 -Really? -Just to make sure. 303 00:13:46,166 --> 00:13:47,834 TRAVIS: Well, you know, 304 00:13:47,875 --> 00:13:49,458 if it's some kind of electromagnetic phenomena, 305 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:51,375 {\an4}-it could affect the avionics, right? -Yeah. Yeah. 306 00:13:51,417 --> 00:13:53,083 {\an5}TRAVIS: Make it unsafe. So, I can understand that. 307 00:13:53,125 --> 00:13:55,083 {\an5}-CAMERON: My primary goal is safety. -TRAVIS: Oh, yeah. 308 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,208 CAMERON: {\an1}So there's Homestead 1 here. 309 00:13:59,250 --> 00:14:02,250 {\an1}This is the primary homestead down below in the trees. 310 00:14:04,542 --> 00:14:06,583 Then along the ridge, there's Homestead 2... 311 00:14:08,959 --> 00:14:12,291 {\an1}...and then, uh, Homestead 3 will be down 312 00:14:12,333 --> 00:14:15,542 {\an5}-on the western side of the property there. -Okay. 313 00:14:15,583 --> 00:14:18,250 {\an8}A lot of the activity, {\an8}for whatever reason, 314 00:14:18,291 --> 00:14:20,625 {\an7}seems to be centered around {\an8}the old homesteads. 315 00:14:20,667 --> 00:14:24,208 {\an8}These over-100-year-old {\an8}structures. 316 00:14:24,250 --> 00:14:27,834 {\an1}And that activity is not only UFO-related, 317 00:14:27,875 --> 00:14:31,667 it involves the full gamut of unexplained phenomena 318 00:14:31,709 --> 00:14:33,583 that we continue to monitor. 319 00:14:34,959 --> 00:14:36,875 Really intriguing. 320 00:14:38,458 --> 00:14:40,291 I hope not to leave here more perplexed 321 00:14:40,333 --> 00:14:41,792 than when I came in, right? 322 00:14:41,834 --> 00:14:43,667 -(both chuckling) -That's right. 323 00:14:45,625 --> 00:14:47,709 {\an5}TRAVIS: One of the things that excites me the most 324 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:50,375 about this ranch, and, uh, the investigation team, 325 00:14:50,417 --> 00:14:54,542 {\an1}and doing this, uh, research, is... what if? 326 00:14:54,583 --> 00:14:55,792 That's the big thing. 327 00:14:55,834 --> 00:14:57,667 What if some of it's real? 328 00:14:57,709 --> 00:14:59,333 What if this really is an answer 329 00:14:59,375 --> 00:15:02,542 to one of the big questions that Brandon had? 330 00:15:02,583 --> 00:15:05,041 {\an1}Maybe we'll get some insight. 331 00:15:06,583 --> 00:15:08,709 -TRAVIS: Hey, guys. -TEAM: Hey, Travis. 332 00:15:08,750 --> 00:15:11,375 {\an5}-THOMAS: You made it. {\an1}-Yeah. It was a great flight coming in. 333 00:15:11,417 --> 00:15:12,750 -It was beautiful. {\an1}-JIM: Good to see you. Welcome. 334 00:15:12,792 --> 00:15:14,000 -TRAVIS: How you doing? -Nice to have you. 335 00:15:14,041 --> 00:15:15,208 TRAVIS: {\an1}Yeah, it's good to see you guys. 336 00:15:15,250 --> 00:15:16,208 Welcome to Skinwalker. 337 00:15:16,250 --> 00:15:17,834 Yeah, thanks, man. Glad to be here. 338 00:15:17,875 --> 00:15:18,834 -What's going on, Dragon? -Hey, Trav. 339 00:15:18,875 --> 00:15:20,583 How you doing, buddy? 340 00:15:20,625 --> 00:15:22,792 {\an8}-Let me introduce you {\an8}to Kaleb here. {\an7}-Hey, Kaleb. How you doing? 341 00:15:22,834 --> 00:15:24,750 {\an8}This is my right-hand man. 342 00:15:24,792 --> 00:15:26,250 {\an7}We'll be taking good care of you {\an8}while you're here. 343 00:15:26,291 --> 00:15:28,709 {\an8}BRYANT: {\an8}My name is Bryant Arnold. 344 00:15:28,750 --> 00:15:31,792 {\an7}And my main role is the head {\an8}of security here. 345 00:15:31,834 --> 00:15:35,000 {\an8}The reason that we take {\an8}security so seriously is 346 00:15:35,041 --> 00:15:37,208 {\an8}we need to protect the {\an7}scientific integrity of things 347 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:40,750 {\an8}going on, and protect {\an8}the people that live here. 348 00:15:40,792 --> 00:15:43,417 Skinwalker Ranch piques people's interest, 349 00:15:43,458 --> 00:15:45,083 and so with that we get a lot of people 350 00:15:45,125 --> 00:15:47,750 that try to sneak onto the property. 351 00:15:47,792 --> 00:15:50,291 We carry weapons because 352 00:15:50,333 --> 00:15:52,125 we don't know what we're dealing with, 353 00:15:52,166 --> 00:15:53,667 and it's a dangerous place, 354 00:15:53,709 --> 00:15:56,208 between the natural things that are here 355 00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:58,583 and then also the unknown. 356 00:15:58,625 --> 00:16:00,792 {\an1}Well, it's nice to meet you. 357 00:16:00,834 --> 00:16:02,959 {\an4}-I got to get back to it, so... {\an4}-TRAVIS: All right, thank you, man. -Yep. Have a good one. 358 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,417 {\an1}I'm excited to be here, man. 359 00:16:04,458 --> 00:16:06,250 I can't wait to start looking around. 360 00:16:06,291 --> 00:16:08,250 {\an8}Well, let's show you {\an8}the command center, 361 00:16:08,291 --> 00:16:11,041 {\an8}real quick, and, uh, {\an8}start the tour. 362 00:16:11,083 --> 00:16:13,000 TRAVIS: Let's do it. 363 00:16:13,041 --> 00:16:15,834 {\an1}So this is the command center. 364 00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:17,291 {\an1}This is the command center. 365 00:16:17,333 --> 00:16:18,834 A few things that we've collected 366 00:16:18,875 --> 00:16:21,792 over the last couple years as we've been here. 367 00:16:21,834 --> 00:16:24,291 Ah, cool. I like all the pictures. 368 00:16:26,667 --> 00:16:28,375 {\an1}Erik, you ought to show him the control room. 369 00:16:28,417 --> 00:16:30,208 {\an1}Sure. Travis, come take a look. 370 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:32,667 Is this where all {\an1}the instruments are piped into? 371 00:16:32,709 --> 00:16:34,959 -ERIK: That it is. -The nerve center. 372 00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:38,667 This is our inner sanctum. 373 00:16:40,542 --> 00:16:43,166 TRAVIS: {\an1}Inner sanctum, I love that. 374 00:16:43,208 --> 00:16:45,041 {\an1}So it's a work in progress, but you can see... 375 00:16:45,083 --> 00:16:46,375 -Yeah... -Surveillance assets; 376 00:16:46,417 --> 00:16:48,709 {\an1}see the systems that we've got online right now. 377 00:16:48,750 --> 00:16:50,333 ERIK: My name is Erik Bard. 378 00:16:50,375 --> 00:16:52,250 I've been acting as principal investigator 379 00:16:52,291 --> 00:16:55,208 at the Skinwalker Ranch site since 2016. 380 00:16:55,250 --> 00:16:58,625 {\an8}Brandon has entrusted me {\an8}with the first phase 381 00:16:58,667 --> 00:17:01,959 {\an8}of the investigation {\an8}under his watch. 382 00:17:02,041 --> 00:17:05,000 {\an1}That phase is a phase of... 383 00:17:05,041 --> 00:17:06,625 observational science. 384 00:17:06,667 --> 00:17:09,625 {\an1}We're observing the property, 385 00:17:09,667 --> 00:17:11,959 primarily looking for phenomena, 386 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,917 and real evidence that {\an1}there's something here on site. 387 00:17:16,959 --> 00:17:19,542 The idea of building a control room 388 00:17:19,583 --> 00:17:23,166 was born out of necessity, so that I can observe 389 00:17:23,208 --> 00:17:24,875 {\an1}what's happening at all hours. 390 00:17:24,917 --> 00:17:28,250 We have surveillance assets allowing us to see 391 00:17:28,291 --> 00:17:30,834 in various directions across the property. 392 00:17:32,625 --> 00:17:35,583 We have thermographic imaging cameras, 393 00:17:35,625 --> 00:17:38,750 night-vision equipment. 394 00:17:38,792 --> 00:17:40,542 And so we've got the weather data. 395 00:17:40,583 --> 00:17:43,250 Always important. Temperature, humidity. 396 00:17:43,291 --> 00:17:45,250 -TRAVIS: The daily rain... -ERIK: Right. 397 00:17:45,291 --> 00:17:46,959 {\an1}-And what have we got here? {\an1}-You're looking at the output 398 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,792 from the SATAN platform, {\an1}which is actually right there. 399 00:17:49,834 --> 00:17:52,458 {\an5}-TRAVIS: Okay. {\an1}-ERIK: We also have a platform that I designed, 400 00:17:52,500 --> 00:17:54,750 to which I've given the name SATAN; it's an acronym 401 00:17:54,792 --> 00:17:58,917 for Sentinel Assignment, Telemetry and Notification. 402 00:18:00,667 --> 00:18:02,375 It's a device that allows us to measure 403 00:18:02,417 --> 00:18:05,041 vibrations in the ground ■ and to record sounds 404 00:18:05,083 --> 00:18:08,500 that are below the frequency range of human hearing. 405 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 The device is constantly measuring, 406 00:18:12,041 --> 00:18:14,208 and whenever we get a signal of interest, 407 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:16,458 -it lets me know about it. -Okay. 408 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:20,166 {\an5}-This is the transponders for the airplanes? -Right, so this 409 00:18:20,208 --> 00:18:22,250 {\an1}is air traffic over the ranch right now. 410 00:18:22,291 --> 00:18:25,917 We also have an avionics receiver 411 00:18:25,959 --> 00:18:28,750 that receives the signals being emitted by aircraft 412 00:18:28,792 --> 00:18:31,959 identifying them by their tail numbers. 413 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,792 The purpose of the avionics receiver 414 00:18:34,834 --> 00:18:36,875 {\an1}is to help us discern between 415 00:18:36,917 --> 00:18:39,667 things of known origin-- aircraft-- 416 00:18:39,709 --> 00:18:42,875 and bright light sources 417 00:18:42,917 --> 00:18:45,709 that have no identifying information. 418 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:49,583 {\an1}And we've seen things that are actually quite unexpected 419 00:18:49,625 --> 00:18:51,417 and confusing. 420 00:18:51,458 --> 00:18:53,083 {\an1}But I'm not here to believe, 421 00:18:53,125 --> 00:18:55,834 {\an1}I am not here to disbelieve, I'm here to observe. 422 00:18:55,875 --> 00:18:58,583 Well, what'd you think? 423 00:18:58,625 --> 00:19:01,208 {\an5}TRAVIS: {\an1}Oh, it's the inner sanctum. That was awesome, man. 424 00:19:01,250 --> 00:19:04,250 We got a lot to see. {\an1}I think we ought to get you out 425 00:19:04,291 --> 00:19:05,583 -and get going. -Yeah, I'd love to. 426 00:19:05,625 --> 00:19:07,458 THOMAS: {\an1}Okay. Let's go get started. 427 00:19:08,875 --> 00:19:10,500 {\an1}So, are we driving or walking? 428 00:19:10,542 --> 00:19:11,875 THOMAS: It's more than a walk, 429 00:19:11,917 --> 00:19:13,583 {\an1}so why don't we take the UTV? 430 00:19:13,625 --> 00:19:14,917 TRAVIS: I got shotgun! 431 00:19:14,959 --> 00:19:16,917 This is great. 432 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000 {\an5}SEGALA: All right, you're about {\an1}to see some really cool stuff. 433 00:19:21,041 --> 00:19:22,875 {\an5}-TRAVIS: Yeah? -THOMAS: We're gonna go see the mesa. 434 00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:31,750 {\an8}THOMAS: You know, on our way {\an8}over to the mesa, {\an8}there's something I want {\an5}to show you real quick. 435 00:19:31,792 --> 00:19:34,750 {\an5}-You want to see it for just a second? -TRAVIS: Yeah! Heck, yeah. 436 00:19:34,792 --> 00:19:37,583 {\an8}My hope for being out here {\an8}at Skinwalker Ranch 437 00:19:37,625 --> 00:19:38,834 {\an8}is to get some answers. 438 00:19:38,875 --> 00:19:41,417 {\an8}There's so many stories {\an8}about, you know, 439 00:19:41,458 --> 00:19:44,417 {\an8}boogeymen and aliens {\an8}and whatever else. 440 00:19:44,458 --> 00:19:46,041 If there is something happening out here 441 00:19:46,083 --> 00:19:48,083 that's unusual, I want to find out. 442 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:55,959 So, Travis, a lot of interesting things. 443 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,291 So this used to be a very operational ranch, 444 00:19:58,333 --> 00:20:01,125 where they had the cattle, {\an1}they would process right here. 445 00:20:01,166 --> 00:20:04,500 {\an1}They had calves in this area. {\an1}They had bulls in this area. 446 00:20:04,542 --> 00:20:07,208 {\an1}You mean when the-the Shermans owned the place... 447 00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:08,750 When the Shermans occupied the, uh, the ranch here. 448 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:13,166 {\an5}BRANDON: Everything that I have researched 449 00:20:13,208 --> 00:20:15,667 {\an1}relative to the Sherman family leads me to believe 450 00:20:15,709 --> 00:20:19,834 that they were subjected to such an intense amount 451 00:20:19,875 --> 00:20:23,208 of disturbing activity. 452 00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:27,000 {\an7}They experienced everything {\an8}from UFO sightings 453 00:20:27,041 --> 00:20:30,542 {\an8}to countless {\an8}cattle mutilations. 454 00:20:30,583 --> 00:20:33,709 {\an8}They had beasts or entities 455 00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:35,959 {\an8}that would appear to them. 456 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,333 {\an8}I don't blame them {\an8}for selling the property. 457 00:20:38,375 --> 00:20:40,500 {\an8}They were terrorized. 458 00:20:41,667 --> 00:20:44,750 {\an8}There's a story where 459 00:20:44,792 --> 00:20:45,792 {\an8}a very large wolf 460 00:20:45,834 --> 00:20:47,583 {\an8}came in off the plains. 461 00:20:47,625 --> 00:20:52,500 {\an8}And a group of calves {\an7}were in this pen right here. 462 00:20:52,542 --> 00:20:55,792 {\an1}The wolf put his head through, 463 00:20:55,834 --> 00:20:58,834 and started pulling one {\an1}of the calves out of the fence. 464 00:20:58,875 --> 00:21:02,458 {\an8}The Shermans, seeing that, {\an7}the father then went inside, 465 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:05,667 {\an8}got a weapon, and came out {\an7}and started shooting at it. 466 00:21:05,709 --> 00:21:07,917 {\an8}Point blank, you know, {\an8}right here. 467 00:21:07,959 --> 00:21:10,875 Shooting at the wolf. 468 00:21:10,917 --> 00:21:12,959 BRYANT: Right, like a .357, 469 00:21:13,041 --> 00:21:15,417 and then that didn't do anything, 470 00:21:15,458 --> 00:21:17,083 so apparently, it let them go back in 471 00:21:17,125 --> 00:21:18,917 {\an1}and a bigger gun, and I guess 472 00:21:18,959 --> 00:21:21,750 {\an1}that's what it took to let it-- to make it drop the calf. 473 00:21:21,792 --> 00:21:25,125 And the story goes that this animal 474 00:21:25,166 --> 00:21:29,083 was strong enough to withstand, allegedly, 475 00:21:29,125 --> 00:21:31,458 six shots from a .357 476 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:33,875 and a couple shots from a .30-06 rifle. 477 00:21:37,333 --> 00:21:39,458 So they pursued after it, 478 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:42,291 and as they got to the part of the ranch 479 00:21:42,333 --> 00:21:45,041 where the river bisects the property, 480 00:21:45,083 --> 00:21:48,000 they could see tracks going down the mud 481 00:21:48,041 --> 00:21:50,750 and starting up the side {\an1}of the bank on the other side 482 00:21:50,792 --> 00:21:52,542 and then disappearing into nothing, 483 00:21:52,583 --> 00:21:54,792 as if the thing had just vaporized. 484 00:21:54,834 --> 00:21:59,667 And so, there are rumors {\an1}and stories that have come out 485 00:21:59,709 --> 00:22:03,625 about all sorts of really fantastic happenings here. 486 00:22:03,667 --> 00:22:05,166 {\an8}I-I know, uh, 487 00:22:05,208 --> 00:22:06,750 {\an7}the stories of the skinwalker, 488 00:22:06,792 --> 00:22:08,125 {\an8}the shape-shifter thing, {\an8}isn't one of the things 489 00:22:08,166 --> 00:22:10,458 {\an7}that it's supposed to turn into {\an8}is like a big wolf? 490 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:13,208 -That's correct. -That's strange, right? 491 00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:15,709 So to the mesa? 492 00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:17,709 {\an5}-Yeah, let's head over to the mesa. -All right. 493 00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:19,709 I'm not entirely convinced 494 00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:21,667 that this stuff can't be explained. 495 00:22:21,709 --> 00:22:25,000 So I'm really eager to see for myself 496 00:22:25,041 --> 00:22:26,792 {\an1}what's happening on this ranch. 497 00:22:26,834 --> 00:22:28,542 THOMAS: Okay, ready? 498 00:22:28,583 --> 00:22:30,083 TRAVIS: Yup. 499 00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:35,166 So this is it? ■ Skinwalker Ridge. 500 00:22:35,208 --> 00:22:36,959 -THOMAS: Yeah. -ERIK: That's right. 501 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,458 {\an5}TRAVIS: They call it the Skinwalker Ridge. 502 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:40,083 Has any of you ever seen it? 503 00:22:40,125 --> 00:22:43,166 {\an1}The skinwalker shape-shifter thing walking the ridge? 504 00:22:43,208 --> 00:22:44,959 Well, I haven't. 505 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,250 {\an1}Have y'all talked to anybody {\an1}that claims to have seen it? 506 00:22:47,291 --> 00:22:48,792 Jim Morse has seen it. 507 00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:51,041 That's right. 508 00:22:51,083 --> 00:22:55,375 {\an8}When they talk about {\an7}the curse of the skinwalker, 509 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:58,834 {\an7}um, back in the mid-1800s, 1860, 510 00:22:58,875 --> 00:23:02,959 {\an7}uh, the Utes and the Navajo, um, {\an8}they crossed each other. 511 00:23:04,792 --> 00:23:07,500 Unfortunately, the Utes were utilizing 512 00:23:07,542 --> 00:23:09,417 the Navajos as slaves. 513 00:23:09,458 --> 00:23:12,250 So the Utes and the Navajo 514 00:23:12,291 --> 00:23:14,959 got into a skirmish, 515 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,417 and because of that 516 00:23:17,458 --> 00:23:20,208 {\an1}the Navajos cursed this land, 517 00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:23,417 which now is the, uh, path of the skinwalker, 518 00:23:23,458 --> 00:23:26,625 this shape-shifting spirit. 519 00:23:26,667 --> 00:23:29,875 I didn't want to believe this phenomenon is real, 520 00:23:29,917 --> 00:23:32,083 {\an1}but then there was one evening 521 00:23:32,125 --> 00:23:34,417 that we were combing the ground, 522 00:23:34,458 --> 00:23:36,291 and one of the guards that I was with 523 00:23:36,333 --> 00:23:38,792 carries, like, an infrared lamp, 524 00:23:38,834 --> 00:23:43,083 {\an1}and as he was combing the rocs 525 00:23:43,125 --> 00:23:47,625 he pointed out two big red eyes. 526 00:23:47,667 --> 00:23:50,208 It looked at me, and then it left. 527 00:23:50,250 --> 00:23:52,542 Call me what you will, 528 00:23:52,583 --> 00:23:54,417 but I, personally, {\an1}am not comfortable out here-- 529 00:23:54,458 --> 00:23:56,917 even with my security background 530 00:23:56,959 --> 00:23:59,458 {\an1}as a military police officer-- to be out here alone, 531 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:02,041 uh, in-in the, in the dark of the night. 532 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,417 THOMAS: Let's stop right here. 533 00:24:06,458 --> 00:24:08,041 This is probably the easiest place 534 00:24:08,083 --> 00:24:11,250 {\an1}to access the top of the ridg. 535 00:24:11,291 --> 00:24:13,375 Climb the rest of the way. 536 00:24:17,291 --> 00:24:20,458 {\an5}TRAVIS: {\an1}So is this where the glow was from the video? 537 00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:22,166 That's right, there's about a 500 to 600 538 00:24:22,208 --> 00:24:24,250 {\an1}foot long section of this mesa 539 00:24:24,291 --> 00:24:28,875 that appears to pulsate {\an1}in some of our night footage. 540 00:24:28,917 --> 00:24:33,458 I'm gonna check my compass {\an1}and see if it's acting crazy. 541 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:36,250 {\an1}That's... that's west, right? 542 00:24:36,291 --> 00:24:38,834 So it seems like it's doing fine. 543 00:24:38,875 --> 00:24:41,166 {\an1}You ought to check your TriField {\an1}meter, see what it's doing. 544 00:24:41,208 --> 00:24:43,417 I'm getting a little tone from it. 545 00:24:43,458 --> 00:24:45,291 -A little tone? -Whoa. 546 00:24:45,333 --> 00:24:47,208 -Let me see that thing. -Sure. 547 00:24:47,250 --> 00:24:49,750 TRAVIS: Out on the mesa, 548 00:24:49,792 --> 00:24:51,500 we're using these electric field measurement devices 549 00:24:51,542 --> 00:24:53,458 called TriField meters. 550 00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:55,875 {\an5}-Get out of the way, {\an1}make sure it ain't your radio. -Okay. 551 00:24:55,917 --> 00:24:59,125 {\an5}TRAVIS: {\an1}And they measure three fields: magnetic field, 552 00:24:59,166 --> 00:25:02,709 static electric field, {\an1}then it measures radio frequency 553 00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:06,166 and microwaves, which is {\an1}electromagnetic dynamic fields. 554 00:25:06,208 --> 00:25:08,625 Whoa, whoa, it's gone up. 555 00:25:08,667 --> 00:25:10,500 Hold on, let me step back. 556 00:25:10,542 --> 00:25:14,208 TRAVIS: There are always radio waves 557 00:25:14,250 --> 00:25:15,417 and microwaves {\an1}bouncing around everywhere. 558 00:25:15,458 --> 00:25:17,000 We use that for Wi-Fi, 559 00:25:17,041 --> 00:25:18,750 for your cell phone {\an1}communications, everything. 560 00:25:18,792 --> 00:25:20,959 The biggest thing that piqued my interest 561 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,250 was the amount of energy in these microwaves 562 00:25:23,291 --> 00:25:25,792 {\an1}we were measuring was getting close to dangerous levels. 563 00:25:25,834 --> 00:25:26,959 That's significant. 564 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,166 And the direction 565 00:25:28,208 --> 00:25:29,291 continued to change. 566 00:25:29,333 --> 00:25:32,166 {\an1}It's coming from that direction. 567 00:25:32,208 --> 00:25:35,583 What is doing that? 568 00:25:35,625 --> 00:25:37,041 Look at that. 569 00:25:38,291 --> 00:25:39,583 {\an1}Sounds like it might be getting 570 00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:41,125 louder as we get higher. 571 00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:43,625 Let's go up the mountain and see what happens. 572 00:25:46,083 --> 00:25:49,208 Skinwalker Ranch is in the middle of nowhere, 573 00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:52,166 {\an1}and I couldn't see a cell phone {\an1}tower as far as I could see. 574 00:25:52,208 --> 00:25:54,291 {\an1}I barely was getting a signal on my phone, 575 00:25:54,333 --> 00:25:58,458 and there were no Wi-Fi routers. 576 00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:00,250 {\an5}-Whoo. Man, that was a nice walk. -Man. That's a climb. 577 00:26:00,291 --> 00:26:03,417 -(chuckles) -Hey, hand me that meter. 578 00:26:03,458 --> 00:26:05,834 What's yours saying, Erik? 579 00:26:05,875 --> 00:26:08,583 {\an1}-So we're at four and a half. -Which way? 580 00:26:08,625 --> 00:26:09,917 This way. 581 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:11,792 {\an1}Yeah, this one's pegging out. 582 00:26:11,834 --> 00:26:14,000 {\an1}Along-- It's kind of a-along the ridge line. 583 00:26:14,041 --> 00:26:17,667 Yeah, I mean, {\an1}it's-it's a real strong signal. 584 00:26:17,709 --> 00:26:19,792 THOMAS: What's it saying? 585 00:26:19,834 --> 00:26:22,417 {\an5}TRAVIS: Dude, it's-it's in the {\an1}milliwatts per meter squared. 586 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:25,458 And, I mean, that's a significant 587 00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:27,250 {\an1}amount of energy right there. 588 00:26:27,291 --> 00:26:30,291 {\an1}We went to the top of the mesa, and what we found 589 00:26:30,333 --> 00:26:33,500 was even more electromagnetic radiation 590 00:26:33,542 --> 00:26:34,750 that shouldn't be there. 591 00:26:34,792 --> 00:26:36,208 {\an1}That's a real strong signal. 592 00:26:36,250 --> 00:26:37,959 And at dangerous levels 593 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,542 {\an1}that could be harmful to humans. 594 00:26:39,583 --> 00:26:41,208 Oh! 595 00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:42,500 And it's shifted now. 596 00:26:42,542 --> 00:26:44,125 Now it's coming from that direction. 597 00:26:44,166 --> 00:26:46,750 {\an5}-And it's all radiation. -TRAVIS: Yeah, yeah, it's all RF. 598 00:26:46,792 --> 00:26:48,291 Wow. 599 00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:50,583 TRAVIS: {\an1}The level of microwaves there 600 00:26:50,625 --> 00:26:54,417 that we detected were much stronger than 601 00:26:54,458 --> 00:26:56,417 what you get from your cell phone 602 00:26:56,458 --> 00:26:58,250 or your Wi-Fi routers, 603 00:26:58,291 --> 00:27:02,291 and microwaves like that just don't exist in nature. 604 00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:06,458 So where was this microwave radiation coming from? 605 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:07,834 {\an1}Because I'd never seen that. 606 00:27:07,875 --> 00:27:10,458 I don't know. {\an1}We've-we've been here, what, 607 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:12,625 an hour and already found something 608 00:27:12,667 --> 00:27:14,500 that I don't have any idea what's going on. 609 00:27:14,542 --> 00:27:16,125 I-I-I don't understand it. 610 00:27:21,583 --> 00:27:23,166 {\an8}TRAVIS: Well, I have no idea {\an8}what we just saw, 611 00:27:23,208 --> 00:27:26,500 {\an8}but we did see something. 612 00:27:26,542 --> 00:27:28,917 {\an7}Not bad for your first few hours {\an8}on the ranch, huh? 613 00:27:28,959 --> 00:27:30,917 {\an8}Yup, wasn't bad. 614 00:27:30,959 --> 00:27:32,709 {\an7}Wasn't a monster or an alien 615 00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:35,917 {\an8}or a UFO, but it was {\an8}still something weird. 616 00:27:35,959 --> 00:27:37,291 {\an8}At least it was something. 617 00:27:37,333 --> 00:27:38,917 {\an8}TRAVIS: {\an8}I certainly didn't expect 618 00:27:38,959 --> 00:27:41,625 {\an8}to see anything {\an8}the first day I got here, 619 00:27:41,667 --> 00:27:42,959 {\an8}much less the first hour, 620 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,709 {\an8}but when we walked up {\an8}on Skinwalker Ridge, 621 00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:49,333 {\an8}we saw microwave radiation {\an8}at levels 622 00:27:49,375 --> 00:27:51,166 {\an7}that were close to dangerous. 623 00:27:51,208 --> 00:27:52,959 Hey, guys, welcome back. 624 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,792 TRAVIS: And I wasn't expecting that. 625 00:27:54,834 --> 00:27:56,041 I can't explain it, 626 00:27:56,083 --> 00:27:58,166 but we're gonna get to the bottom of it. 627 00:27:58,208 --> 00:28:02,333 {\an7}There was some sort of source {\an7}of-of electromagnetic radiation 628 00:28:02,375 --> 00:28:03,875 {\an8}hitting the bottom {\an8}of the mountain, 629 00:28:03,917 --> 00:28:05,959 {\an8}and as we moved {\an8}up the mountain, it seemed 630 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,000 {\an8}to get a little worse, {\an8}and it was random, though, 631 00:28:09,041 --> 00:28:11,583 {\an7}'cause we'd point the meter in {\an7}one direction, and it'd peg out, 632 00:28:11,625 --> 00:28:13,750 {\an7}then it'd stop. Then we'd point {\an8}it in another direction, 633 00:28:13,792 --> 00:28:16,959 {\an8}and it'd peg out again. {\an7}Held my cell phone up to it, 634 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,583 {\an8}-it wasn't the cell phone. {\an8}-THOMAS: Yeah, {\an8}electronics weren't-- 635 00:28:18,625 --> 00:28:21,000 {\an7}didn't seem to be the source {\an8}of it, which is... 636 00:28:21,041 --> 00:28:23,375 {\an7}Well, and there was two of them {\an8}reacting the same way, 637 00:28:23,417 --> 00:28:26,041 {\an7}so it wasn't a bad meter or {\an7}anything like that, we had both. 638 00:28:26,083 --> 00:28:28,417 {\an8}And one time, {\an7}Erik was holding his pointed 639 00:28:28,458 --> 00:28:29,709 {\an7}completely opposite direction, 640 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:31,417 {\an8}and both of them {\an8}were pegging out. 641 00:28:31,458 --> 00:28:33,375 {\an5}-It was just-just strange. -BRYANT: Well, and that sort of thing 642 00:28:33,417 --> 00:28:36,250 {\an1}doesn't just happen on the mesa or in the bowl like that. 643 00:28:36,291 --> 00:28:38,667 {\an1}We'll come across times where {\an1}we'll be carrying that equipment 644 00:28:38,709 --> 00:28:42,208 and all of a sudden it'll peg out for no reason. 645 00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:43,750 Yup. 646 00:28:43,792 --> 00:28:45,959 That's why we need to be measuring this stuff 647 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,166 {\an1}over a long period of time. 648 00:28:48,208 --> 00:28:49,667 -Right. -BRYANT: Exactly. 649 00:28:49,709 --> 00:28:51,125 -Right. -Exactly. 650 00:28:51,166 --> 00:28:52,583 {\an1}So I'd like to get about 50 651 00:28:52,625 --> 00:28:54,458 of those TriField meters 652 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,291 {\an1}and put them in known locations around the ranch, 653 00:28:57,333 --> 00:28:59,417 {\an1}like, up on the hill where we {\an1}just measured the crazy stuff, 654 00:28:59,458 --> 00:29:01,125 whatever that was, 655 00:29:01,166 --> 00:29:03,125 and-and have it real-time, {\an1}right there, being recorded. 656 00:29:03,166 --> 00:29:04,625 -Yeah. Oh, yeah. -Right? 657 00:29:04,667 --> 00:29:06,041 {\an1}'Cause if something like that 658 00:29:06,083 --> 00:29:07,333 {\an1}is happening like we just saw, 659 00:29:07,375 --> 00:29:09,000 I want us to capture date and time 660 00:29:09,041 --> 00:29:10,500 'cause that way we might-- can figure out 661 00:29:10,542 --> 00:29:11,834 where it's coming from, what it's doing, 662 00:29:11,875 --> 00:29:13,667 {\an1}-and what's happening to it. -Yeah. 663 00:29:13,709 --> 00:29:15,542 Beyond that, I would like to have 664 00:29:15,583 --> 00:29:18,166 a complete sweep of the radiation spectrum 665 00:29:18,208 --> 00:29:20,041 over the entire ranch. 666 00:29:20,083 --> 00:29:21,792 {\an5}THOMAS: And that reminds me, when they were doing 667 00:29:21,834 --> 00:29:23,250 the nuclear tests down in Nevada... 668 00:29:23,291 --> 00:29:25,709 {\an5}-Are you talking about the atomic bomb testing? -Yes. 669 00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:27,583 When they were doing that down in Nevada, 670 00:29:27,625 --> 00:29:29,583 {\an1}uh, the Uinta basin was actually 671 00:29:29,625 --> 00:29:32,166 {\an1}-a hot spot for the downwind. -Oh, really? 672 00:29:32,208 --> 00:29:33,709 Some of the highest concentrations measured, 673 00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:35,709 {\an1}if I understand right, were just 674 00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:37,834 30 miles north of here. 675 00:29:37,875 --> 00:29:39,500 Well, we should look into that as well. 676 00:29:39,542 --> 00:29:41,125 We-we know what the decay products are 677 00:29:41,166 --> 00:29:42,917 {\an1}from those particular tests 678 00:29:42,959 --> 00:29:44,834 and that's all documented really well. We should 679 00:29:44,875 --> 00:29:47,291 look in to see how that {\an1}may have affected the ranch. 680 00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:49,041 {\an5}-Right? -That's a great idea. -Yup. 681 00:29:51,083 --> 00:29:53,083 {\an5}TRAVIS: Back during the Manhattan Project, 682 00:29:53,125 --> 00:29:56,959 as, uh, long ago as 1945 {\an1}and on through the early '50s, 683 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,667 a few hundred miles away, 684 00:29:59,709 --> 00:30:02,083 at the Nevada Test Site, 685 00:30:02,125 --> 00:30:06,792 there were aboveground nuclear tests, 686 00:30:06,834 --> 00:30:09,709 meaning atomic bombs were set off. 687 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:11,500 {\an1}Nuclear fallout was thrown up into the sky, 688 00:30:11,542 --> 00:30:13,500 this is radioactive dirt, 689 00:30:13,542 --> 00:30:18,041 {\an1}dust particles, that then fly {\an1}around with the air currents, 690 00:30:18,083 --> 00:30:21,458 and a lot of those winds brought this radiation 691 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:24,834 over the Uinta Basin where Skinwalker Ranch is. 692 00:30:24,875 --> 00:30:27,083 So back in the '50s, 693 00:30:27,125 --> 00:30:29,959 it's highly likely that radioactive fallout 694 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,583 fell on this ranch, 695 00:30:31,625 --> 00:30:35,083 and some of it should still be there today. 696 00:30:35,125 --> 00:30:38,375 It's possible that exposure 697 00:30:38,417 --> 00:30:40,834 to radioactive fallout 698 00:30:40,875 --> 00:30:43,458 could cause people to have strange symptoms, 699 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,125 maybe even hallucinations, {\an1}and see things, hear things, 700 00:30:47,166 --> 00:30:49,917 and maybe even do things that would seem abnormal. 701 00:30:49,959 --> 00:30:52,792 There might be uranium or something 702 00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:54,583 -in the dirt here. -Right. 703 00:30:54,625 --> 00:30:56,375 So we need to have {\an1}a complete radiation sweep, 704 00:30:56,417 --> 00:30:58,125 -so we'd have a map. -Sure. 705 00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:00,083 {\an5}-That's right. -TRAVIS: We need to look for radon gas 706 00:31:00,125 --> 00:31:02,417 'cause that's a by-product of uranium decay. 707 00:31:02,458 --> 00:31:05,500 We should look for, uh, gammas and betas and alpha 708 00:31:05,542 --> 00:31:07,667 -particles even. -Mm-hmm. 709 00:31:07,709 --> 00:31:09,083 We need to look for radioactive trace 710 00:31:09,125 --> 00:31:11,291 {\an1}or something in the ground, so we should see 711 00:31:11,333 --> 00:31:14,166 what happens when we do {\an1}something like digging a hole. 712 00:31:14,208 --> 00:31:19,333 {\an5}And we create a precisely controlled experiment where 713 00:31:19,375 --> 00:31:21,333 {\an1}we're digging to this depth, 714 00:31:21,375 --> 00:31:23,041 and to this size, and this volume. 715 00:31:23,083 --> 00:31:26,625 And every five feet, you do a gamma test. 716 00:31:26,667 --> 00:31:28,000 TRAVIS: Right. 717 00:31:28,041 --> 00:31:30,000 -We can be looking at {\an1}the electromagnetic spectrum 718 00:31:30,041 --> 00:31:32,458 {\an1}while we're doing it in case {\an1}there is some kind of strange 719 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:34,458 microwave phenomena that's occurring. 720 00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:36,125 BRYANT: Look, 721 00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:39,291 scientists by nature {\an1}want to explain everything. 722 00:31:39,333 --> 00:31:41,542 -Well... {\an1}-See, here's-- The problem is, 723 00:31:41,583 --> 00:31:45,041 {\an1}those of us that don't think in {\an1}a scientific mind all the time, 724 00:31:45,083 --> 00:31:46,834 talk about a feeling or, you know, 725 00:31:46,875 --> 00:31:49,291 {\an1}something-- the heebie-jeebies, {\an1}whatever you want to call it... 726 00:31:49,333 --> 00:31:51,333 -Right. -...in us laypeople terms. 727 00:31:51,375 --> 00:31:54,875 {\an1}I mean, I'm not a scientist, but {\an1}I've spent a ton of time here, 728 00:31:54,917 --> 00:31:56,583 I know for a fact, 729 00:31:56,625 --> 00:31:59,291 crap goes down when people {\an1}start disturbing the earth. 730 00:31:59,333 --> 00:32:02,750 If we start digging, that's the trigger. 731 00:32:02,792 --> 00:32:05,792 You know, if you're gonna be a part of this, 732 00:32:05,834 --> 00:32:10,375 {\an1}I have to unequivocably say "No digging." 733 00:32:19,917 --> 00:32:22,792 {\an7}When you guys talk about every {\an7}time somebody digs out here 734 00:32:22,834 --> 00:32:24,709 {\an8}on the ranch {\an8}without asking about 735 00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:27,458 {\an7}where to and where not to dig, {\an8}it seems to me 736 00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:29,875 {\an8}like that's-that's {\an8}a big blinking sign saying 737 00:32:29,917 --> 00:32:33,250 {\an8}"if you want to create the {\an7}phenomena to manifest itself, 738 00:32:33,291 --> 00:32:35,375 {\an7}-you go and dig somewhere." {\an8}-BRYANT: I'm not 739 00:32:35,417 --> 00:32:37,375 {\an8}the type that wants {\an8}to go looking for trouble. 740 00:32:37,417 --> 00:32:39,333 {\an8}There's enough going on {\an8}around this place 741 00:32:39,375 --> 00:32:41,875 {\an8}where I-I'm not looking {\an8}to stir up trouble. 742 00:32:41,917 --> 00:32:44,583 {\an1}-Yeah, I mean, I-I hear you... -Great. 743 00:32:44,625 --> 00:32:46,125 BRYANT: The history of the place 744 00:32:46,166 --> 00:32:50,542 {\an1}has said that when you dig, bad stuff happens. 745 00:32:50,583 --> 00:32:53,083 I heard about not digging 746 00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:55,500 as soon as I came onto the property. 747 00:32:55,542 --> 00:32:58,667 {\an1}It goes back to previous owners of the property. 748 00:32:58,709 --> 00:33:02,500 They said that when you dig or disturb the earth, 749 00:33:02,542 --> 00:33:07,375 {\an1}that is what seemed to trigger whatever phenomenon is here 750 00:33:07,417 --> 00:33:12,041 {\an1}and caused harm, and that's not {\an1}what I'm looking to do here. 751 00:33:12,083 --> 00:33:14,291 {\an8}Well, how about you, Erik? 752 00:33:14,333 --> 00:33:16,917 {\an7}Well, do you want to go out {\an8}and start digging holes? 753 00:33:16,959 --> 00:33:19,417 {\an8}You're the eyes and ears {\an8}of the place. 754 00:33:19,458 --> 00:33:20,667 ERIK: I'm doing my very best 755 00:33:20,709 --> 00:33:22,083 not to be superstitious about this. 756 00:33:22,125 --> 00:33:24,750 {\an8}I am intensely curious 757 00:33:24,792 --> 00:33:27,500 {\an8}about what might be below {\an8}this-this ranch. 758 00:33:27,542 --> 00:33:29,917 But I do not consider 759 00:33:29,959 --> 00:33:34,083 my own curiosity {\an1}an entitlement to knowledge. 760 00:33:34,125 --> 00:33:38,083 {\an1}There are some contexts in which {\an1}perhaps even I shouldn't know 761 00:33:38,125 --> 00:33:40,000 about what's going on on the ranch. 762 00:33:40,041 --> 00:33:42,083 But until I'm advised to that end, 763 00:33:42,125 --> 00:33:45,250 I'm proceeding as if this is an observational, 764 00:33:45,291 --> 00:33:47,542 -experimental undertaking. -TRAVIS: Well, 765 00:33:47,583 --> 00:33:48,875 I think that's what it has to be. 766 00:33:48,917 --> 00:33:50,959 My grandmother used to always say, 767 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,417 "A hornet's nest isn't interesting 768 00:33:52,458 --> 00:33:53,875 {\an1}until you poke it with a stick." 769 00:33:53,917 --> 00:33:55,667 -Right? And... -BRYANT: Okay, well, 770 00:33:55,709 --> 00:33:57,417 what kind of hornets were you dealing with? 771 00:33:57,458 --> 00:34:01,166 Well, hornets that sting, {\an1}so you use a really long stick 772 00:34:01,208 --> 00:34:03,250 {\an4}-and then you drop the stick and run really fast. -Okay, so... 773 00:34:03,291 --> 00:34:05,041 who's gonna do the digging, then? 774 00:34:05,083 --> 00:34:08,125 {\an1}Well, that's a good question. {\an1}I don't know the answer to that. 775 00:34:08,166 --> 00:34:12,041 Maybe we get volunteers that don't mind the risk? 776 00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:14,625 It's impossible to explain the risk. 777 00:34:14,667 --> 00:34:16,041 There's one person that knows the risk, 778 00:34:16,083 --> 00:34:17,875 and he's sitting right there. Right? 779 00:34:19,959 --> 00:34:23,041 {\an1}Having been a person that's done {\an1}a lot of digging on this ranch, 780 00:34:23,083 --> 00:34:24,917 the more serious of digging I do, 781 00:34:24,959 --> 00:34:28,166 {\an1}the more serious of consequences that follow. 782 00:34:31,291 --> 00:34:33,166 I didn't believe in the paranormal 783 00:34:33,208 --> 00:34:34,792 {\an1}when I came out on this ranch. 784 00:34:34,834 --> 00:34:38,000 And I paid a pretty hefty price. 785 00:34:38,041 --> 00:34:42,000 {\an1}When they told me not to dig,I {\an1}just thought it was ridiculou. 786 00:34:42,041 --> 00:34:46,625 And so, one day, {\an1}I decided to do some digging. 787 00:34:46,667 --> 00:34:50,709 And then, three days after, I noticed that I had 788 00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:52,583 a goose egg on the back of my head. 789 00:34:52,625 --> 00:34:55,333 By the time I let my wife 790 00:34:55,375 --> 00:34:57,125 finally take me to the emergency room, 791 00:34:57,166 --> 00:35:00,917 the goose egg had actually {\an1}spread through my entire head. 792 00:35:00,959 --> 00:35:04,208 My scalp separated from my skull. 793 00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:07,208 The pain is so excruciating, I've never felt anything 794 00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:10,000 like it before in my life. 795 00:35:10,041 --> 00:35:13,208 The doctors had no idea what caused it. 796 00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:15,208 {\an1}They didn't know how to fix it. 797 00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:17,208 Basically they're telling me what happened to me 798 00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:21,208 {\an1}was medically impossible, and it caused me a severe injury 799 00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:25,166 that to this day I'm still {\an1}having some repercussions with. 800 00:35:25,208 --> 00:35:28,792 I know that I was warned, "Hey, don't do digging." 801 00:35:28,834 --> 00:35:32,125 {\an1}I didn't have this preconceived {\an1}idea in my mind that if I dug, 802 00:35:32,166 --> 00:35:35,542 {\an1}something bad was gonna happen, {\an1}because I-I didn't believe it. 803 00:35:37,583 --> 00:35:40,959 {\an1}Enough things have happened {\an1}to myself, to the equipment, 804 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,291 it is a possibility that they are correlated. 805 00:35:44,333 --> 00:35:46,250 This is real stuff. 806 00:35:46,291 --> 00:35:48,208 This is nothing to take for granted. 807 00:35:48,250 --> 00:35:50,500 You're talking about health and wellbeing. 808 00:35:50,542 --> 00:35:53,208 T-This is no nonsense. 809 00:35:53,250 --> 00:35:55,125 TRAVIS: I get it. 810 00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:56,917 These guys are nervous. 811 00:35:56,959 --> 00:35:59,208 When they've dug, they've seen things happen. 812 00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:01,208 {\an1}Tom's injury was real serious. 813 00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:04,208 It scares them a little bit and they want to be careful. 814 00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:05,667 And I get that. 815 00:36:05,709 --> 00:36:07,250 I don't want anybody to get hurt. 816 00:36:07,291 --> 00:36:11,041 But I'm not sure what caused the injury. 817 00:36:11,083 --> 00:36:12,709 And I think we're only gonna find that out 818 00:36:12,750 --> 00:36:15,792 by doing a lot more experimentation. 819 00:36:15,834 --> 00:36:19,291 {\an1}We are interacting with this somehow or other, 820 00:36:19,333 --> 00:36:22,417 {\an1}and so we need to calibrate what {\an1}we're doing to the experiment. 821 00:36:22,458 --> 00:36:24,083 THOMAS: Look, if we're gonna dig, 822 00:36:24,125 --> 00:36:25,959 if we're gonna test this, let's just do it in a way 823 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,917 that we're keeping the possibility 824 00:36:27,959 --> 00:36:30,875 {\an1}that it may be dangerous and {\an1}let's put some safety nets up, 825 00:36:30,917 --> 00:36:32,125 just in case. 826 00:36:33,792 --> 00:36:36,291 Jim, what do, what do you think about it? 827 00:36:36,333 --> 00:36:38,917 I think we should dig {\an1}because I want to learn more 828 00:36:38,959 --> 00:36:40,500 {\an1}about what it means to dig. 829 00:36:40,542 --> 00:36:44,083 {\an1}I don't see an anomaly happening as a warning, 830 00:36:44,125 --> 00:36:45,709 I see it as an invitation. 831 00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:47,375 BRYANT: Look, 832 00:36:47,417 --> 00:36:49,375 {\an1}it's not my piece of property. 833 00:36:49,417 --> 00:36:52,208 You've been brought here obviously for a purpose. 834 00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:56,834 {\an1}If the owner of the property {\an1}says, "I want this to happen," 835 00:36:56,875 --> 00:36:58,875 then I'm on board. 836 00:36:58,917 --> 00:37:02,500 We ought to see if we can get Brandon on the line 837 00:37:02,542 --> 00:37:03,917 and talk to him about some of the stuff 838 00:37:03,959 --> 00:37:05,542 that we've talked about. 839 00:37:05,583 --> 00:37:08,041 Erik, do you think {\an1}we can get him on video chat 840 00:37:08,083 --> 00:37:09,917 {\an4}-or something like that, see if we can give him an update? -Sure. 841 00:37:09,959 --> 00:37:11,709 {\an1}-Sure, I'll bring him up now. -All right. 842 00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:13,750 (line ringing) 843 00:37:15,834 --> 00:37:17,041 (chimes) 844 00:37:23,875 --> 00:37:26,333 {\an8}-TRAVIS: Hey, Brandon. {\an7}-Greetings, team. How are you? 845 00:37:26,375 --> 00:37:27,667 {\an8}-Doing well. {\an8}-Doing great, how are you? 846 00:37:27,709 --> 00:37:30,208 {\an8}I am glad {\an8}that you patched me in 847 00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:33,500 {\an8}and I'm wondering how the {\an7}investigation is progressing. 848 00:37:33,542 --> 00:37:36,083 {\an7}Well, it's been an eventful day. 849 00:37:36,125 --> 00:37:38,542 {\an8}As the ranch usually does {\an7}when we bring new people on, 850 00:37:38,583 --> 00:37:41,291 {\an8}it seems to, uh, {\an8}liven up a little bit. 851 00:37:41,333 --> 00:37:45,333 {\an8}And we, uh, caught some {\an7}pretty interesting things today. 852 00:37:45,375 --> 00:37:46,542 {\an8}TRAVIS: {\an7}Yeah, Brandon, when we were up 853 00:37:46,583 --> 00:37:48,250 {\an7}on the mesa, the TriField meters 854 00:37:48,291 --> 00:37:53,500 {\an7}were measuring really strong {\an8}transient microwave fields 855 00:37:53,542 --> 00:37:55,917 {\an8}and-and the power that, {\an8}uh, we were picking up 856 00:37:55,959 --> 00:37:58,125 {\an8}was on the verge {\an8}of being dangerous levels. 857 00:37:58,166 --> 00:38:02,667 {\an8}So, I'd like to get some {\an7}more precise measurements made. 858 00:38:02,709 --> 00:38:06,583 {\an1}Yeah, that's-that's disturbing, and that is also consistent 859 00:38:06,625 --> 00:38:09,792 with what we've experienced in the past. 860 00:38:09,834 --> 00:38:12,792 {\an8}What are the priority items {\an8}going forward 861 00:38:12,834 --> 00:38:14,792 {\an8}as we launch into this phase {\an8}of the investigation? 862 00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:18,208 {\an7}BRYANT: So, one of the first {\an8}things the guys want to do 863 00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:20,208 {\an8}is get some surveys {\an8}and some testing done. 864 00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:22,667 {\an1}They want to do some RF testing. 865 00:38:22,709 --> 00:38:25,625 They want to do radiological testing, 866 00:38:25,667 --> 00:38:29,250 some thermography and... 867 00:38:29,291 --> 00:38:31,166 they want to dig. 868 00:38:31,208 --> 00:38:33,458 Hmm. 869 00:38:35,166 --> 00:38:36,583 You know, I... 870 00:38:36,625 --> 00:38:40,208 I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that. 871 00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:43,208 {\an1}Uh, w-which part are you not {\an1}comfortable with, uh, Brandon? 872 00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:47,542 The digging. I think that once we commence digging, 873 00:38:47,583 --> 00:38:49,709 it opens up a whole Pandora's box, 874 00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:52,125 and there are certain risks 875 00:38:52,166 --> 00:38:56,709 that I think you just aren't privy to 876 00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:59,166 and haven't been properly briefed on. 877 00:38:59,208 --> 00:39:01,792 TRAVIS: When Brandon said 878 00:39:01,834 --> 00:39:03,458 there was no digging {\an1}on the ranch, I was stunned. 879 00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:04,959 How are we gonna get to the bottom of things 880 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,417 happening on this place, 881 00:39:06,458 --> 00:39:08,875 if we can't investigate in every way we can? 882 00:39:08,917 --> 00:39:10,500 TRAVIS: Well, we need 883 00:39:10,542 --> 00:39:12,875 to be briefed on that data, then, 884 00:39:12,917 --> 00:39:14,542 so we can understand the phenomena 885 00:39:14,583 --> 00:39:19,125 {\an1}that we're being exposed to or trying to uncover. 886 00:39:19,166 --> 00:39:21,166 I understand. Erik, 887 00:39:21,208 --> 00:39:25,834 do you happen to have the, uh, the case? 888 00:39:25,875 --> 00:39:27,959 I do. I've been saving it 889 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,250 until the right point in {\an1}the discussion to bring it up. 890 00:39:30,291 --> 00:39:35,458 {\an5}TRAVIS: My first reaction when Brandon tells me 891 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,083 that they haven't showed us everything, 892 00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:39,208 that we haven't seen {\an1}all the information they have... 893 00:39:39,250 --> 00:39:41,333 Well, how can I help them 894 00:39:41,375 --> 00:39:43,500 if they don't give me all the information? 895 00:39:43,542 --> 00:39:47,000 And I was a little bit concerned about that. 896 00:39:47,041 --> 00:39:49,125 - This is not to be taken lightly, 897 00:39:49,166 --> 00:39:52,083 and that's why we've kept the material 898 00:39:52,125 --> 00:39:54,458 under lock and key. 899 00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:56,667 I think you'll understand soon why. 900 00:39:56,709 --> 00:39:58,291 This is a matter of, really, 901 00:39:58,333 --> 00:40:01,000 the highest level {\an1}of seriousness and sensitivity. 902 00:40:01,041 --> 00:40:03,083 {\an5}-Hmm. -BRYANT: These are hornets that you've never 903 00:40:03,125 --> 00:40:04,625 had to deal with before. 904 00:40:04,667 --> 00:40:06,500 Hornets. All right. 905 00:40:06,542 --> 00:40:08,500 Well, I want to see them. 906 00:40:08,542 --> 00:40:10,792 BRANDON: Erik, with that, 907 00:40:10,834 --> 00:40:13,041 proceed to show them what is in the case. 908 00:40:13,083 --> 00:40:14,667 Regrettably, I have to go to a meeting, 909 00:40:14,709 --> 00:40:17,250 so I'll look for your update later. 910 00:40:17,291 --> 00:40:20,041 -Thanks, gentlemen. -OTHERS: Thanks, Brandon. 911 00:40:20,083 --> 00:40:22,792 {\an5}TRAVIS: I came into this saying, look, guys, 912 00:40:22,834 --> 00:40:24,333 we're gonna follow the scientific method. 913 00:40:24,375 --> 00:40:26,792 You can't keep data 914 00:40:26,834 --> 00:40:31,166 away from the experiment and {\an1}not show the rest of the team, 915 00:40:31,208 --> 00:40:33,792 in order for it to be a good experiment. 916 00:40:33,834 --> 00:40:36,458 I've got a U.S. government clearance, 917 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:38,208 and I don't see why Brandon and the team 918 00:40:38,250 --> 00:40:40,083 feel like they have to keep anything from me. 919 00:40:40,125 --> 00:40:41,500 Now, I'm beginning to wonder what the heck 920 00:40:41,542 --> 00:40:43,750 they've got in store for me. 921 00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:47,041 {\an7}So what I am going to show you 922 00:40:47,083 --> 00:40:48,750 {\an8}may offer an explanation {\an8}for some 923 00:40:48,792 --> 00:40:50,792 {\an8}of what we've been {\an8}seeing on the property. 924 00:40:50,834 --> 00:40:53,500 {\an8}You'll understand {\an8}as soon as I open this up. 925 00:41:00,583 --> 00:41:01,792 {\an8}TRAVIS: {\an8}Wow. 926 00:41:05,709 --> 00:41:09,083 {\an5}TRAVIS: The legend is that things happen on this ranch. 927 00:41:09,125 --> 00:41:10,667 SEGALA: Okay, that's spiking. 928 00:41:10,709 --> 00:41:12,709 -That could be dangerous. {\an1}-It's coming from up there. 929 00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:14,375 {\an5}ERIK: The signal was coming from the sky. 930 00:41:14,417 --> 00:41:16,417 -What is that? {\an1}-TRAVIS: Do you guys see that? 931 00:41:16,458 --> 00:41:17,792 It flew from behind the mesa. Foom. 932 00:41:17,834 --> 00:41:19,000 -There it is. -There it is again. 933 00:41:19,041 --> 00:41:21,166 {\an1}Whoa. That's a definite beam. 934 00:41:21,208 --> 00:41:25,625 {\an1}The moment that object appeared, the cow reacted. 935 00:41:25,667 --> 00:41:28,917 {\an5}HOWE: We are dealing {\an1}with some kind of intelligence 936 00:41:28,959 --> 00:41:30,667 that has the ability to paralyze. 937 00:41:30,709 --> 00:41:33,875 {\an5}KANDUS: It felt like someone was {\an1}knocking from under the floor. 938 00:41:33,917 --> 00:41:36,208 {\an5}-What is that? -THOMAS: Is that a fragmented bone? 939 00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:37,667 ERIK: It could be human remains. 940 00:41:37,709 --> 00:41:40,375 We have something active beneath this property. 941 00:41:40,417 --> 00:41:43,208 {\an4}-TRAVIS: It stinks in here. {\an1}-THOMAS: I don't want to stay in here very long. 942 00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:45,083 {\an5}TRAVIS: We were just exposed to ionizing radiation. 943 00:41:45,125 --> 00:41:46,583 -My head is killing me. -JIM: This is serious. 944 00:41:46,625 --> 00:41:48,291 SEGALA: I think it's time to go to the hospital. 945 00:41:48,333 --> 00:41:50,291 {\an5}BRANDON: I wanted to get out here as soon as I could. 946 00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:52,166 Who or what could we be dealing with? 947 00:41:52,208 --> 00:41:54,583 {\an5}BRYANT: There is something of {\an1}significant size down there. 948 00:41:54,625 --> 00:41:56,125 -JIM: Is it saucer-shaped? -Yes. 949 00:41:56,166 --> 00:41:57,667 TRAVIS: Let's dig it up. 950 00:41:57,709 --> 00:41:59,000 -BRYANT: Look at that. -THOMAS: What is that? 951 00:41:59,041 --> 00:42:00,291 SEGALA: {\an1}Why is that rocking like that? 952 00:42:00,333 --> 00:42:02,208 -TRAVIS: Oh! -(cows mooing) 953 00:42:02,250 --> 00:42:04,083 {\an1}What we saw tonight was real.